Mailing list status

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Hi Everyone,

Last Friday night, our mailing list and website server suffered a
catastrophic failure.

Fortunately, for the past couple months I have already been working on
moving our mailing lists to OSUOSL. I had planned a couple more steps
to transition smoothly, but given the failure have accelerated things.

The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

It is likely that emails sent to the list since Friday night will not
make it through, and will need to be resent. Sorry for the
inconvenience.

Please let me offer a huge thank you to GBNet for donating their time
and servers to Mutt for many, many years, and also express my
appreciation to OSUOSL for working with me to transition to their
hosting services.

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Kevin,

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
The new mailing list server uses GNU mailman. There are likely a few
things that need to be tweeked. Please let me know about any issues.

On the good side: there's now a
List-Id: <mutt-dev.mutt.org>
header one can use to filter incoming mail, additionally to
List-Post: <mailto:mutt-***@mutt.org>

For who needs it, the old
Sender: owner-mutt-***@mutt.org
is now replaced by

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy
Please let me offer a huge thank you to GBNet for donating their time
and servers to Mutt for many, many years, and also express my
appreciation to OSUOSL for working with me to transition to their
hosting services.

Let me chime in, and thank you for taking care of this and all around Mutt.

Eike

[Moritz Barsnick]

Post by Eike Rathke
On the good side: there's now a
List-Id: <mutt-dev.mutt.org>
header one can use to filter incoming mail, additionally to

Nice!

Post by Eike Rathke
For who needs it, the old
is now replaced by

That's probably why these two mails slipped though my procmail filters.
Am I the 0.000001 % still using that?

Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier! (Hey, and my webmail hoster can even
pre-filter based on Subject. Wow.)

Thanks for keeping up the infrastructure, the user agent, and all the
great work! I've been using mutt since 1996, and not planning to give
up in the next 22 years. :)

Moritz

[Cameron Simpson]

Post by Moritz Barsnick

Post by Eike Rathke
For who needs it, the old
is now replaced by

That's probably why these two mails slipped though my procmail filters.
Am I the 0.000001 % still using that?

No, I'm doing the same.

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix?

I'm -1 on such a thing myself. Can't you add it in your mail filtering on
receipt? I use X-Labels myself, and show these in my mutt index view.

I appreciate that doesn't fix your smartphone.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <***@cskk.id.au> (formerly ***@zip.com.au)

[Patrick Shanahan]

Post by Moritz Barsnick

Post by Eike Rathke
On the good side: there's now a
List-Id: <mutt-dev.mutt.org>
header one can use to filter incoming mail, additionally to

Nice!

Post by Eike Rathke
For who needs it, the old
is now replaced by

That's probably why these two mails slipped though my procmail filters.
Am I the 0.000001 % still using that?
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier! (Hey, and my webmail hoster can even
pre-filter based on Subject. Wow.)
Thanks for keeping up the infrastructure, the user agent, and all the
great work! I've been using mutt since 1996, and not planning to give
up in the next 22 years. :)

I use procmail also, but: ^Sender.*mutt.org
has worked for me for many years.

[Stuart Henderson]

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier!

This has a cost: it breaks DKIM.

[Moritz Barsnick]

Post by Stuart Henderson
This has a cost: it breaks DKIM.

Okay, I just read up on RFC 6377. So "-1" from myself as well. ;)

Thanks,
Moritz

P.S.: 'L' no longer works without "subscribe". :-P

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Moritz Barsnick
P.S.: 'L' no longer works without "subscribe". :-P

This should be working still. The List-Post header is there. Is anyone
else seeing this problem?

[Moritz Barsnick]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Moritz Barsnick
P.S.: 'L' no longer works without "subscribe". :-P

This should be working still. The List-Post header is there. Is anyone
else seeing this problem?

My bad. Because Stuart put me on Cc:, I only got the direct mail, and
not through the list. (I just reconfigured that @mailman... Stupid
preference. Was it that way before?)

Moritz

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

Post by Moritz Barsnick

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Moritz Barsnick
P.S.: 'L' no longer works without "subscribe". :-P

This should be working still. The List-Post header is there. Is anyone
else seeing this problem?

My bad. Because Stuart put me on Cc:, I only got the direct mail, and
preference. Was it that way before?)

I hadn't noticed the setting, but just found it in the mailman
interface. Unfortunately it's not retroactive: it controls the default
setting for new subscribers.

I can change this to be off; but would appreciate if others would chime
in before I do so.

[Volker Kuhlmann]

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Moritz Barsnick
My bad. Because Stuart put me on Cc:, I only got the direct mail, and
preference. Was it that way before?)

I hadn't noticed the setting, but just found it in the mailman
interface. Unfortunately it's not retroactive: it controls the default
setting for new subscribers.
I can change this to be off; but would appreciate if others would chime
in before I do so.

Mailman always defaults to "suppress copy from list if the sender
already CCed the recipient". The argument was that those directly
involved in the discussion would get their emails faster. It also threw
things out of order at times, emails could not be relied on to have a
correct Date: stamp, especially when delayed in sending on
badly/temporarily connected hosts. I always want everything from the
list directly, that also makes procmail work. The personal copy just
gets deleted. I deal with mailing lists in bursts.

+1 for always getting my list copy.

Volker

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Kevin,

Post by Kevin J. McCarthy

Post by Moritz Barsnick
My bad. Because Stuart put me on Cc:, I only got the direct mail, and
preference. Was it that way before?)

I can change this to be off; but would appreciate if others would chime
in before I do so.

I just changed it to receive copies..

Eike

[Derek Martin]

Post by Stuart Henderson

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier!

This has a cost: it breaks DKIM.

It also adds otherwise unnecessary useless info to the subject line,
increasing the number of columns/characers required to be displayed to
get useful info from the subject field in Mutt's display (or narrow
windows of whatever mailer).

Over the years this has come up numerous times and we've always
elected NOT to add it. I'll throw in my continued vote to not add it.

[Patrick Shanahan]

Post by Derek Martin

Post by Stuart Henderson

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier!

This has a cost: it breaks DKIM.

It also adds otherwise unnecessary useless info to the subject line,
increasing the number of columns/characers required to be displayed to
get useful info from the subject field in Mutt's display (or narrow
windows of whatever mailer).
Over the years this has come up numerous times and we've always
elected NOT to add it. I'll throw in my continued vote to not add it.

same recollection, I also vote not to add.

[Heinz Diehl]

Post by Moritz Barsnick
That's probably why these two mails slipped though my procmail filters.
Am I the 0.000001 % still using that?

Nope. Procmail rocks :-)

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier!

Subject tagging is... plain ugly. But I see why you would want to have
it.

[Patrick Shanahan]

Post by Heinz Diehl

Post by Moritz Barsnick
That's probably why these two mails slipped though my procmail filters.
Am I the 0.000001 % still using that?

Nope. Procmail rocks :-)

Post by Moritz Barsnick
Would it be asking a lot to request an automatic "[mutt-dev] " subject
prefix? It really makes identifying the emails outside of the flashy
luxurious filterung Unix world (i.e. on my smartphone or in the
webmailer) so much easier!

Subject tagging is... plain ugly. But I see why you would want to have
it.

yes, and there are already plenty of header already available to sort and
deliver with procmail.